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The Richard Syrett Show - 34:39 min.-> Scientific Proof God Spoke Universe Into Existence


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trumpetofourlord:
The trumpet of the Lord has sounded it is time to come out of the wilderness. The revolution against the powers of darkness begins here: www.scienceprovescreation.com

The word is spreading faster than Samson's foxes tails. You can get a taste here.

This is the mathematical proof and experimental proof of the Genesis record of creation as a line-by-line and action-by-action analysis. We can mathematically prove that everything can be spoken into existence; and since the only record of any personality ever doing that I God in Genesis 1 --it kinda proves that he exists and accomplished his will in creation by speaking all things into existence. The fact that you can read this is also further proof.

Check out the news coverage here.

Also, several radio stations have been interviewing me live and I hope to have a TV interview this week in Nashville: God Willing, and schedules allow. This is going around the globe, and the news article has been already, in one week, translated into Spanish and German.

I would like to create a discussion of these topics here and test my ability to answer tough questions, any questions. SO that I will be prepared in any interview situation. I am a student so I can only reply as time allows. I look forward to chatting with you all.

Do you here that? That's the sound of the walls of Jericho come tumblin' down. Who wants to make some noise with me? Check the links above, go to my website and get your noise maker!!! Meet me outside the gates of Hell so we can shine our light and tear down the walls of darkness. SO Who's comin' with me? ---Jerry Mcguire.

For any question you might have about creation --my project will answer it, click on 'the Proof' at www.scienceprovescreation.com. Otherwise, you can ask me anything and I will answer to the best of the knowledge that God has given me concerning the unraveling of all the confusion concerning what happened in Genesis. Let us all walk in unison to higher truth in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.


other one:
That sounds exciting depending on the music you play....
Wink

trumpetofourlord:
Well depending on your affinity to harmony (in Christ and truth, and true science which actually validates the existence of God and the Genesis record), or dissonance (in Humanism and deceit, and pseudoscience --all science that points away from Christ and Genesis), will decide how you react to the music I play. So far most have tried to ridicule it, but at the same time hundreds of people are tapping right along and enjoying every beat.

It all depends on where you stand I guess. I believe that in the end, those who are the most ardent against listening will become the most passionate promoters of this new rhythm and movement of God. It is quite inevitable.

This is the millenium of our God and His Christ. Either you will enter in, or you will be cast out.


teleiosis:
Taking off your proscription of -or else- how is it that this is the Millennial rule of our Lord Jesus when the nations of the world are still very much in play?

According to God's vision to Nebuchadnezzar as Daniel interpreted it, the nations are smashed by the coming of the "rock." This is in accordance with other prophecies which envision a time of peace after great turmoil as God's desolations act like the Flood and usher in a new era after the nations are defeated by Christ and His army at Armageddon. Mark

Ok, gotta go to class, but here is a quick reply. This has nothing to do with creation, but maybe vaguely. The Jews didn't believe Jesus was the messiah because he didn't come as expected (a warmongering dictator who would destroy and pulverize all who wasn't Pharisaical or Sadducaical). Honestly, your interpretation sounds eerily close. I am not saying you are wrong, but I am saying maybe you are wrong--maybe your sources are wrong. There will obviously be a war in Armaggeddon --it is what all the warmongering fools are driving our world towards. But Isaiah mentions this clearly --I marked it several years ago as a child while I was reading it. It says that there shall be a cry of Peace, Peace, from the rulers of this coming One world Gov't. But it goes on to say there shall be no peace. I suggest watching the video clip "America: Freedom to Fascism" --if you want to get a good dose of what is coming on the world. Definitely the mark of the beast in that clip.

This short era of "Peace, Peace" will come after the fake war on Terrorism is over. The anti-christ will be put on his throne in Jerusalem as it says --they will rebuild the temple, there will be a 'united' --I use the term loosely (media promoted united) world wherein everyone and everything will wear the RFID chip. But, at the same time, quietly, the armies of God are coming out of the wilderness stalking the enemy--Jesus is coming! Yet we will not make war with weapons of destruction --Has God ever done so? Did Jesus? No, only men. But it will be an awakening in the hearts and minds and spirits of men. One word will be spoken ---Let there be Light, and there was light---and there will be light. That is Christ, the true Christ, he who is anointed with Light. Lucifer will come as an angel of Light --but Christ is that true light which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. And when God speaks --that Will be the true Christ come. HE will come as the spoken word again, into the hearts and minds of mankind--all who will hear --those who have not been deceived by the antichrist.

And the disciples came to the Master and said, "Lord what shall our end be?" And the Master replied, "Have you so learned your beginning that you should know your end?" "For I say unto you, he that knows his beginning, shall know his end, and shall never taste death."

from the Gospel of Thomas.

This is the day of knowing our beginning. That is the revelation that God has given -- the thing that he told Daniel to seal up until the end times. Truly, when you read the document I have written --you will indeed be lifted to a place by the Holy Spirit that will show you the beginning and ending of everything --and the existence of everything in between, every thought and action of God and man since the foundation of the world. Then you will see easily how the antichrist will present himself--you will understand the chess game and the movement of the pieces and the media. you will know what to look for and what the thieves are doing.

Essentially, once you know the truth about the beginning, you will know the end--and you will not taste death. The end is the beginning and the beginning is the end. You know the Alpha and Omega? That is the past, and then we shall be in the 'new heaven and new earth'. Once you see this you will know there is no time, only eternity. There is no life except in Christ. And all darkness is merely a state if confusion--wherein today almost everyone on the planet dwells --including most "Christians".

This is why I say the Millennium of our God and Christ and our Kingdom. Shout for victory!! The kingdom of God is at hand! In the next 5 years, the Antichrist will come, and after that the great revelation of truth --Light, the true Christ. And everything that was before that Light, will be folded up like a vesture, laid in the tomb and left behind as we arise from the grave of our current ideology and world politik.

Once you understand how the Light spread in the beginning you will truly know how the Light will come in the end and defeat the powers of darkness.

So, who has a question about "the Beginning"?


trumpetofourlord:
The Jews didn't believe Jesus was the messiah because he didn't come as expected (a warmongering dictator who would destroy and pulverize all who wasn't Pharisaical or Sadducaical). Honestly, your interpretation sounds eerily close.

teleiosis:
There are two Advents of Christ. Even today, when I witness to Jews, they point to the Messiah King prophetic passages and say Jesus did not fulfill these - yet they ignore the Servant Messiah passages Jesus did fulfill.

The dichotomy is found here:

ISA 61:1 The Spirit of the Sovereign LORD is on me,
because the LORD has anointed me
to preach good news to the poor.
He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted,
to proclaim freedom for the captives
and release from darkness for the prisoners,

ISA 61:2 to proclaim the year of the LORD's favor
and the day of vengeance of our God,
Jesus stopped reading after proclaiming the year of the LORD's favor.

Still to come is the day of vengeance of our God.

This Jesus will do when He will "overthrow (the anti-Christ) with the breath of his mouth and destroy (him) by the splendor of his coming." --2Th 2:8

So I do not doubt that a false peace will ensue before Christ comes again as we are told that explicitly in the Bible.

1Th 5:3 While people are saying, "Peace and safety," destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.
Nor do I discount the very real Great Tribulation which is caused by two laws emanating from the False Prophet:

Rev 13:14b He (the False Prophet) ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived. 15 He was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that it could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. 16 He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, 17 so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.

But this only happens after the midpoint Abomination Gabriel told Daniel which Jesus referenced in the Olivet Discourse.

HOWEVER - there is a very real war going on between North and South as the Man in Linen told Daniel in the latter (far-term prophetic section) of Daniel 11.

In my opinion, this is the War on Terror as two great civilizations are juxtaposed between the secular West and Islam. These two world-view systems cannot peacefully co-exist with each other. Indeed, we have Muslims in the West who assimilate no more than clay mixes with iron.

It is this war which creates conditions which make the world ripe for a takeover by ever-increasingly powerful rules which promise to make the first world peaceful and safe. These intrusions into society are false promises and will lead to dictatorial controls being put into place which the final ruler who will come will use to institute his absolute rule as God has given him authority to do in the first half of the one 'seven.'

But to be sure, the Kingly Messiah passages whereby God 'tramples out His Wrath' will come to pass.

--We have yet to see the day of vengeance of our God, and as Christians we will not see it because we are not destined for Wrath, but rescue and deliverance by Jesus when He comes on the clouds for us with the Holy ones He has resurrected from Paradise.

trumpetofourlord:
from the Gospel of Thomas.

teleiosis:
I do not consider the Gospel of Thomas to be authoritative. I have read it, and it does not conform to the Synoptic Gospels on several points. I think it is a gnostic gospel and I would be wary in using it to develop a theology or an eschatology.

trumpetofourlord:
This is why I say the Millenium of our God and Christ and our Kingdom.

teleiosis:
"This is why I say the Millenium of our God and Christ and our Kingdom" - what? You need a verb here to complete your statement. "Is?"

trumpetofourlord:
Shout for victory!! The kingdom of God is at hand!

teleiosis:
No problem here.

trumpetofourlord:
In the next 5 years, the Antichrist will come,

teleiosis:
Well, while after that Christ will come as the sequence-of-events in prophecy dictate - I am extremely wary of setting of dates.

Now the one 'seven' could begin this year, within a year, or in the next five years, and while some things are in place, we haven't seen the fourth final beast formed yet, nor do we have the covenant with many forced through which puts the birthing process of the Millennium into gear.

Thus the basis for my original question asking why you say the Millennium rule is now? Are you Post-Millennial or Amillennial in your eschatology?

So I don't have a question about the beginning per se, and your work is interesting and I may look at it in further detail later, but I am wary that you are so sure of your knowledge is imparted by the Holy Spirit. Many have made that claim, and they have made competing and opposite claims in that regard.

I would rather you show me "where stands it written" as the Swedish Bereans in the Evangelical Free Church system would put it for how the end-times come to be.

Mark

trumpetofourlord:
OK, just got back from class. Nice response mark. I doubt very much that we differ so far in our understandings of Endtime prophecy. I suppose that I have never considered myself to know or adhere to any camp of eschatology or whatever or even understand the fullness of such rigid demarcations. I adhere definitely to the holy spirit and as one crying out from the wilderness --there are many like me-- I stand in Christ alone.

The letter of the law brings death, but the spirit of the law gives life.

I suppose that if I have been given a revelation that has been hidden since the days of Daniel or whatever, (perhaps I know--or perhaps I am wrong--you shall decide this) then it is not written in your accepted texts. Perhaps something that has been hidden should not have been written and will be given in a new text--hence the definition of hidden. And truly, it is not that what I am declaring in the scientific proof of creation has been unwritten, it hasn't --just hidden from the eyes of all mankind until now. If it is of the Holy Spirit--who leads, guides and directs us into all truth --then you shall know because it will testify of Christ. Whether it is of your religious persuasion or not, whether it is written or not--for from what collection of writings did the disciples refer --except to make the occasional reference to the law and the prophets? They had unerring faith in their knowledge and promoted it as such. Much in the same way do I.

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy"

The reason it is the millennium of God is because it is the truth about creation that has been hidden all of these years. The true power of the spoken word. The true power of faith and knowledge of Christ. It was all in genesis all along. Every scripture, every act of man and God, and now in the end the beginning will be revealed. Instead of doubting --go read it for yourself, then you can say yeah or nay. Otherwise, you are merely beating the air. And I fight not as one who beateth the air--but I run for the mastery--as Paul says. God has allowed me the mastery of our origins. Now, you can to by simply reading the document. There is nothing in the universe it does not contain. Even Christ and the resurrection and salvation message.

But as far as this impending war you see in the future:

The weapons of our warfare are not carnal....

...for we fight not against flesh and blood....

It is not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit saith the Lord.

For our God is an all consuming fire...

The word of the Lord is sharper than any two-edged sword able to divide asunder the bone from the marrow and the soul from the spirit.

In Gethsemane when they came to take our Lord, he said I am , and all of them, wearing full armor and swords, fell back to the ground.

This is the power of the spoken word for the Sons of God. "...to them gave he power to become the Sons of God"; "...and greater miracles than this ye shall do if you believe". All that is required of the true Sons of God is that we put on the full Armor of God and to stand and to confess with our mouths our true faith. For as I am created in the image and likeness of God and I am born again after the will of the spirit and I am changed from Glory to Glory in the twinkling of an eye...then by my word shall also the mountains move, and armies fall. For this is what Christ told me, and you, and the whole world. This is my weapon. For by the same word that everything that exists is created, by the same word can all things be defeated. For the true Word of God is not written, it is living, it is Christ, ..."and it is near thee, even in thy mouth..." (see Romans 10:8, Deuteronomy 30:11-20)

For on what page is the living Christ recorded? Since the advent of the King James Version is God no longer capable of speaking to you through and by the spirit? Is he not capable to speak new and hidden truths to me likewise as he did even donkey's which acts have been recorded?

"See that ye refuse not him that Speaketh....(for it is not I that speaketh, but my Father that speaketh through me). For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven: Whoso voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also the heaven."

The Word of God that I have revealed in Episteme Scientia by the Holy Spirit, is going to do just that. It is the end of the forces of dark dogmas, corrupted science, and powerless religion.

I do not want to go into any type of contention. I have made a declaration of the Lord. I have sounded the trumpet he told me to sound. It is up to you whether you will choose to believe or not believe. I believe that after you read the paper you will have new eyes to see the truth.

All of creation can be summed up in a 6 stage Koch curve. And that curve is coming to its completion ---the end point touching the beginning. And this is what I have declared unto you. The scriptures say we cannot know the day and hour --but that we can know the season of its coming. Even Jesus told us this and Paul confirmed these same overtones. All I have said is that time is now. The end is about to touch the beginning in which every jot a tittle will have been fulfilled, and all dissonance and confusion and division will be cast out. Only that which cannot be shaken shall remain.

I am one. Who's coming with me?

http://www.richardsyrett.com/audioarchive.htm (--click on Scientific proof God spoke universe into creation) This will give you just a taste.


Carmela:
With all due respect, Mr. Hunt, be careful that your intellectual searchings do not lead you away from the simple truth of Jesus Christ and away from the very God that you are trying to prove the existence of. By faith we KNOW that God spoke the universe into existence because He said so.

trumpetofourlord:
Carmela: Thank-you for your post to me. Pray for me that I remain humble and malleable to the moving of the Holy Spirit.

Good questions. I will try to explain them in general terms. Both are explained in depth in my paper. But here goes.

first to Pandora BVV:

Black holes are purely hypothetical, even though they are presented as fact. There is no way to confirm that there are black holes, only the possibility of them to exist. Secondly, there is no way to prove they exist in a laboratory either. Therefore, they will only ever be a hypothesis. However, there is a guy whose experiments I speak of in depth in my paper who can create the sun in a microwave. Well, not the mainstream accepted hypothesis of what the sun is --but what I propose as the true nature of the sun in God's creation. His name is Kiril Chukenov. And, he can tap his "sun" to produce clean, limitless, energy. What is very interesting is how this sun is made. It is a spherical shelf of excited particles surrounding a 2d void of space. I know, crazy huh? From what I understand, absolutely nothing can pass through the spherical electron shelf. In order to understand what I am about to tell you, you really need to understand how lightening, and specifically how ball-lightening works. Essentially, this is the simplified version, the electron shelf is nothing but ionized--or excited--electrons. Depending on their level of energy they will give off different colors. When the energy to the particles stops, the electrons will still remain excited for quite a few minutes. But, then they dissipate and go back into the medium.

Now think about stars in space. A star is just an area where energy is being dissipated. It is not the source of energy it is using. The energy has to come from somewhere else --just like the lights in your house. Once the source of energy runs out, what do you think will happen to the star? It will dissipate back into the surrounding medium of space. There is really nothing to exciting about this. SO what happens to the 2d macro object inside the stars electron shelf? Nothing, it remains. But this is nothing more than faraday dark space. And really nothing more than a simple cathode ray tube experiment. The non-luminescent space--in a straight line is right behind the luminescent space. But, the ray only travels in a straight line when there is no presence of a magnetic or electric field outside the tube. Add a magnetic or electric field and all of a sudden you can bend the ray. If you do this rightly you can create a sphere, and guess where the dark space will end up? In the center of the ray that has now become a sphere!

But here is the exciting part. Because this proves that the planets in our Solar System --- the only "garden" in the whole universe---had to be created before the sun! Remember the sun isn't a source of energy--it gets it's energy from somewhere else --like your light bulbs. What do most all of the planets in our solar system have? A magnetosphere. Guess what that makes them? Giant rotating magnets. Not only this but what is a Faraday effect? When you move the magnet it creates electricity. So not only is the whole universe already filled with an infinite in all direction EM field, now you have approx. 9 giant magnets rotating through this field creating more electricity---and guess what will happen to all that electricity in the presence of those fields that are interplaying together? A vortex --just like a tornado.

Now, where is most all of the ball lightening seen to be formed naturally on earth? You guessed it --inside the eye of the tornado or hurricane. Inside the vortex. Which is why the only systems capable of having a sun that can allow life to exist exists itself in a spiral galaxy. This has nothing to do with big bang theory or evolution. This is planned and created by design. Further, Kiril Chukenov has reproduced this in a laboratory, and we can observe this phenomenon all around us right here on earth.

Oh yes, back to your black holes. Well, where are the only places they believe black holes are to be found since you can't see them? With matter 'spiraling' around them. Mere coincidence? Or has the energy source for the star dissipated, the vortex ceased from spinning at a rapid rate, and the ball lightening just evaporated back into the medium? I think this is far more logical an explanation. Especially since this can be readily observed in a lab, and since no one has ever observed a star 'exploding'. Especially since if you look at all the so-called 'stars that have exploded' it is simple evaporation and dissipation of their spherical form back into the surrounding medium.

Look for yourself, you will see this. And, for further, and definitely better, an explanation I suggest reading my proof of Genesis.


I know this is not about the six days but here is something about creation you might find interesting. I had to clarify on another Blog:

Mikaia:
"Can the creation of the universe by God be proven scientifically" Mikaia mbmonitor@wnd.com"

My name is Samuel J Hunt and here is what my paper shows:

  1. There is a mathematical relationship between all matter and frequency, (this is just basic physics, but the conversions and equations --very simple--are in my proof --and taught in every classroom around the world, and confirmed by dozens and dozens of experiments)
  2. There is a mathematical relationship between all frequency and sound (this is proven in acoustics and music theory --as well as in physics, and is proven by the experiment of sonoluminescence).
  3. (A+B=C) Therefore there is a mathematical relationship between all matter and sound. This is elaborated in my paper. This proves that matter can not only be manipulated by sound --- melting ice, breaking glass, boiling water, manipulating DNA ---but that matter can be spoken into existence by going from sound to wave to matter.

A couple of clarifications: the substance that was "in the beginning" in verse 2, that God spoke to, was DESCRIBED to be water. But that does not mean it was H20. There are many water-like substances that are not H20. Take ZPE for instance:

"Sound can travel through space, because space is not the total vacuum it's often made out to be. Atoms of gas give the universe a ubiquitous (present everywhere at once--omniscient?) atmosphere of sorts, albeit a very thin one. Sound, unlike light, travels by compressing medium. Space, though not as efficient, can also serve as a medium."
---Sounds in Space: Silencing Misconceptions. Robert Roy Britt, 23 Sept., 2003.

"The mysterious nature of the vacuum [is] revealed by Quantum Electrodynamics. It is not an empty nothing, but contains randomly fluctuating magnetic fields...with an infinite zero-point energy."
--Stephen Barret, University of Oxford; Nature, March 22, 1990, p.280

"Zero-Point Energy, often referred to as 'aether' or 'the energy of space', is an energy field that spans the entire universe. Contrary to our current limitations in measurement, this universal field exists everywhere in the universe, radiates in every direction with equal pressure, and has no vibration. Radiation implies vibration, but this is not necessarily so. Like the depths of the ocean, and object at the bottom receives the pressure from all the water above it. This 'fluid pressure' is equal in all directions, and is why we haven't noticed its effects before the advent of Quantum Mechanics. The universal ZPE field is like the surface of an absolutely still pond. It has no movement. It is all one surface. However, when something moves through the surface of the water, it disrupts the surface creating waves."

Enter sonoluminescence and the Casimir Force. This solves the mystery behind why such a low-energy-density sound wave can cause a bubble to expel light and create a temperature of at least 10,000 degrees Celsius and possibly 1,000,000 degrees Celsius in its corona. Sounds like the corona of the sun doesn't it? SOUNDS like the sun was spoken into existence to --and there is a math to prove it and another experiment to prove it besides sonoluminescence which is also described in my paper.

So what was it that "moves through the surface of the water.."? Sound --God's voice command. What was the effect of this sound wave? "...It disrupts the surface, creating waves." What kind of waves? The only wave that exists --the EM wave from 0 Hz to infinity Hz. Everything else is just a segmentation of that wave like inches on a ruler. And since this happened everywhere all at once in the whole expanse of eternity, then you have one giant FIELD of indeterminate energy.

By the way, whoever said that photons were particles was not very well informed. Photons are pure energy --they have no mass --therefore cannot be a particle. Photons distribute the properties OF particles (at times) and OF waves (at times)--but they are not waves or particles. They are etheric just like ZPE. One is electric and one is magnetic --they are both fields and have characteristics just like any large wavy body of water (for visualization sake).

There are only 3 substance in the universe:

  1. non-etheric, containing no mass and taking up no/all space. These are mind, will, soul, emotions, etc.
  2. etheric, taking up space, but have no mass. These are spiritual substances, God, angels, ghosts, magnetic and electric energy, etc.
  3. matter, takes up space and contains mass. These are anything that is a particle, and compounds of particles.

The rest of the paper just shows the whys and hows of every process taking place on each day, what the days REALLY are, the mathematics of each day and why everything had to happen exactly in the order Genesis says it did.

Neither side of the debate has been very close to the truth about Genesis. Both sides are distorted --yet both sides have some amount of truth to prove my theory true. Peer review? These principles have already been taught all over the world for more than 450 years. Anyone who tries to discredit this will be discrediting all of science and mathematics that have been taught since the days of Archimedes and Leucippus.

Hope you enjoy that.


In a physics forum I posted this:
Isn't what your saying about cycles implying there is no time? is there any space that can contain no time/all time? If there is no linear time from point a to b, but only a cycle of time 2 pi r (?)--a rotation--and, space is a linear measurement (i.e. angle, depth, length, breadth, etc.) then there is no space and no time right? there is only infinity, and only one infinity can ever exist so there is only 1.

Then there is only cycles within cycles (part-icles) existing as ebb and flow, sort of a rhythm, a sine curve. There is no beginning and no ending. It is all indeterminate. But, all matter has a beginning and an ending.

Penrose tiling will help some of the questions I think. Also check out a penrose tiling in conjunction with L-systems and Koch curve, and the fibonacci series. This will link you to the only spectrum of energy (life force), the infinite electro-magnetic spectrum from 0 (absence), 1-infinity. Only 1, you see not linear, but everywhere in all directions. right? indeterminate energy. A koch curve represents itself within itself indefinitely. 1. Everything in the universe is nothing more than a representation of 1 or the absence of 1(0) which actually doesn't exist either because infinity is 1. Also check out experiments by Alain Aspect and Holograms, the division of a hologram specifically contains all the parts of the whole it was divided from. You see--still infinity, right, still only one image.

Man, I must have hit my head pretty hard.

Infinity is like a ruler. The markings are arbitrarily set, and they are time/distance. They are essentially imaginary, because each marking can be divided down to infinity (therefore the markings don't exist). This is why there is no smallest particle (because they can continue to be divided to infinity). And from any one of those markings to infinity, the ruler becomes infinitely long and infinitely wide. The term 'universe' is just an arbitrary marking of the ruler. This is also why there is no need for a big bang. because if whatever was the singularity that existed 'in the beginning' contained all of the energy of infinity, there is no need or such a thing as expansion (since everything in it would have merely been smaller increments of the singularity to infinity)--it is imaginary. right? I mean, if something could possibly contain infinity (1, all) why is there a need to expand? can you shrink infinity? Can you grow infinity? No it simply is, be, now. Energy can neither be created no destroyed, simply take new form, and that form is microscopically similar to the whole --hence hologram, and incarnation of matter. Therefore if there was a big bang, energy would have been created, or if not then energy would have had to come from some external source by absorption (endothermically). right?

Energy can neither be created nor destroyed: in a closed system? in an open system? is infinity open or closed? Energy is itself indeterminate. If we measure it, then we go back to the ruler of infinity above, the measurement is arbitrary, and can always be subdivided, renamed, reconfigured, etc. It is malleable depending on your view.The ruler of all energy is the EM spectrum.

The only being that is omnipotent and omniscient is God right? The only 'ruler' by which we can know him is Christ, or Light, right? Then that makes everything that exists a EL-ment (God-part-icle) of the All or Him, right? Hey, I'm not preaching just taking this thread to the hilt.

Then menkowskian space-time cannot be flat, right? It is also just an observation of a part-icle an apportionment, a mark on the ruler of the ALL.
And, subsequently, That thread was locked for eternity. I guess somebody didn't want that line of reasoning to go any further. I wonder, is it too dangerous a suggestion?

What is really interesting is what Ezekiel says in chapters 1 and 10 about wheels within wheels and firmaments filled with fire round about:
So here is my take let me know what you think. Ezekiel say the penrose tiling of all of creation as being only cycles within cycles and they contain the life of the entity they govern. The firmament sounds exactly like what we see in sonoluminescence. The light burst, or coronal manifestation, is this 'fire' round about the 'firmament' of these 'wheels' or cycles of life.

So Ezekiel, in a vision from the Lord, in his language of the day attempted to explain what this thread is talking about in the language of our day. So who says the bible is not scientific? Actually once you read the proof and fully understand it, then you will see that the bible is literally loaded with scientific evidence of God and his interworkings with mankind. Hope your all still with me here. Anyone have any other thoughts?

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Sign Seekers05/28/2009
Sir Francis Bacon08/25/2009
Technology and the Increase in Knowledge02/25/2009
The 144,000 of Israel05/28/2009
The Afterlife: Where Do We Go When We Die?03/03/2009
The Beast of Revelation 1308/22/2009
The Coming Times12/13/2009
The European Union and the WEU11/27/2009
The Feasts and the Years 2014 & 201507/04/2009
The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob05/24/2009
The Hebrew Roots of our Faith02/25/2009
The Jubilee Year02/25/2009
The Kingdom of Heaven02/25/2009
The Mystery of Iniquity07/04/2009
The Prophecy Puzzle02/25/2009
The Rapture, The Wedding Model02/25/2009
Timeline of Bible Prophecy05/28/2009
Watchman Bible Study Guide07/04/2009
What Is Hell?05/24/2009
Witness For Christ01/22/2010